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Hi Paul. I have sent you a message on the system messaging service.

Yes 650i convertible, my error by the way I though I read 325Ci. mine and yours should be near enough identical. Here are the images I mentioned. pic 1 - back corner of the storage area - 1 each side pic 2 - literally adjacent to the rear strut pillar Pic 3 - rear corner nearest to the rear of the vehicle right side Pic 4 - as above left side Pic 5 - same as pic 1 but other side - this location is tucked right back immediately under the folding brackets. I am not aware of any other drains under that protective cover as that does not lift up. There have been times I have had several inches of water in there sloshing about but none has actually entered the passenger compartment. As I said I do look to blow through these drains on a regular basis. Hope this helps. I have had water getting into the boot area carpet, this rides under that black plastic cover you can see in pics 3/4. and drips into the boot. BTW Im in Formby and more than happy to meet and talk it through if that helps. The whole system of the softtop seal onto the car body is not watertight hence the need for drains but these have to be kept clear otherwise water does build up and can get into the boot area as noted above.

will do...... as you can see from the photo it is the area under the fuse box to the right side of engine compartment looking from the front. Hope the experience has value to someone out there.. The previous experience I mentioned of an inaccessible brake line fail was on an X5 not a 5 series.

Wow lucky boy that could have had some serious consequences !! Do the Lottery quick 😁 Great pics and information Paul as BMW tend to stick to patterns with layout I think I will check the E70 tomorrow Dave

Hi Paul. Why should/would your 650i be different to my 635d if they are both convertibles and presumably the same body with the only difference being the engine size and type ? Can I assume by your post that your car is actually a 650i convertible ? I am intrigued and will look forward to you posting some images !!

Hi Dave. To my mind, the issue of the water getting in is like looking for a needle in a haystack and must logically be linked to a drain or drains being blocked. Hopefully the main dealer technician will locate an entry point or points and deal with it/them and clear the 8 drain points that are identified on the diagram.

OK, further info - the brake pipe in question, 1 of 3 as seen in the pics, is the one running close to an area of foam. It seems the foam has provided a source of constant wetting which has resulted in the pipe failure. The other two pipes are perfect. For those 2006 onwards 6 series owners out there, you might want to check this out and just visually check the condition of the pipe in this location. Very lucky indeed.

Ok , I agree with the BMW drawing although yours and mine will be different, the locations look familiar. I don't know the Ci set up but I have never had any water getting into the actual car cockpit, only the soft top stow away area, served by the drains. This stow away area is not carpeted either. Ill send some pics so you can see the differences and the drain points as best I can identify them. It sounds like you have water getting into the main cockpit of the car, especially if you have to lift carpet as described in your missive. Never had that issue.

Morning Men Looking at the diagram I would say hood up boot lid open and the are in the Hood starage area. Not much help I am afraid as I have never had to explore this issue I would be more concerned about where it is getting in than letting it out I had a convertable in the 60's it leaked and was draughty a short ownership, same with Sunroofs when they became the big thing in the 70's. Only a few of my cars have had sunroofs since the 80's/90's and none of my X5's have had/hve holes in the roof. If I want the wind in my hair I stand on the Beach 🤣 Dave

👍🤣👍 A job well done

Hi jenksy. I have it on reliable grounds indeed from the main dealer here in Southport that there are 8 drainage points as stated in the third sentence of my post !! I have a print-out from the main dealer showing the location of the drains. Perhaps I have misunderstood the diagram, albeit I have had the hood in the partial open/closed position several times and cannot see any drain points.

Hi all, was lucky to have experienced this problem out at slow speed and just damaged a number plate!! I had a rapid loss of brake fluid which only alerted immediately prior to a full soft pedal. On inspection it appears a brake pipe had failed in a completely inaccessible area under a range of covers under the front engine bay fuse box. Never would be picked up on an MOT as you cant remove such covers. Anyway it seems this may be a type fault on the vehicle, water collection area, and I would recommend you get the area inspected. Garage said they had only ever seen this on 5 series also. Pics attached, Pipes under the front right fusebox area.

Ive only ever had an issue with my 650 soft top but that was in the soft top stow away area, not the car but that problem was due to blocked drainage points. There are 4 of them in there. I now blow them through on a regular basis with a weak warm bleach solution using a baster as it happens. So, whilst not exactly your case but was the drain points that were the issue.

Yes sorry about that unexpected interlude The site had an update which inadvertently switched the site offline - but now back and should be even smoother with the new improved upgrades 🙂

Yay we are back well done the Mods Dave

Hi to you all out there. The other day while about to vacuum out the car I discovered a considerable amount of water in the rear behind the driver's seat. After an hour of attempting to clear it using a turkey baster and a giant car sponge, I managed to clear most of the water. My local BMW Dealership printed me off a diagram showing the 8 drainage point locations but the apparent amount of carpet etc that I have to shift for access is a little difficult for me ! Have I misunderstood, and the drainage points are actually beneath the little black button-tops that are visible when the boot lid is raised ? My local BMW dealership has quoted me £162.00 incl VAT to clear them and reckons that it is a one-hour work. Thank you in anticipation.

Hi Tony Unfortunately the only way to be certain is to take the Unit out and test with a multi meter from the Diagnostic print the module had registered a short circuit. The other intermittent communication faults I would suspect are linked to the short circuit some may need reseting once the module is changed Dave

Ok Great, Thanks Dave. I will look at ordering the "driver module for headlight" (Xenon). I only want to pull the car apart once. Is the part "Control unit xenon light" relevant or possibly faulty relating to this issue?

Hi Tony That looks right to me, if you double click the part number in realoem it will bring up a list of any alternatives that may help Dave

Thanks Greydog. I put my VIN into that website and found a few options. I have a report on my car based on my VIN and its and says "S522A Xenon Light" I'm assuming I need the highlighted one in the screenshot?

Hi I have found that the trim is loose, and has no fixings in the points 11 & 13 detailed below..........just blank holes fixed to fresh air behind 😞 I am struggling to locate a diagram that details how/where points 11 & 13 fix too........if at all?? The other side is absolutely solid 😞 Please can someone advise. Many thanks

Hi Tony Welcome to the Forum Looking at the Diagnostic it would seem so Take a look at www.realoem.com if you are not already aware put the last 7 digits of your Vin into the search box it will bring up your model. Then check the Lights Section you should find the part number you need there Try and find where moisture is getting to avoid more shorts. Dave

Help needed. Both my headlights have had condensation inside them. On one of the headlights the Angel lights are no longer working at all. The model is an 118i 2012 F20. Should I start by replacing the module, if so what one do I need? Thanks

Hi Sue If diesel has reached the ECU then gathering as much evidence as you can (Google) from as many sources as you can to prove it isn't the unusual situation Dealers often pretend it is. Then try a letter to BMW UK asking for a solution with a copy to Rogue Traders. BMW didn't enjoy their last experience on the show and actually started helping customers I hope you can find a sensible resolution Dave