Thanks for the welcome Chris, Only reason I asked is because I found a website that someone had bought a cradle for the e53 and took the iphone 3gs but they had very carefully scribbed away at the casing to take the 4. I couldnt find anywhere on this site which said where he had got the part from, he had a pick of the part, just no link or reference to where he got it. Kinda stumped.